The Return of 1895 Chucky Part I

Living in a rural environment brings firearms into part of a routine; hunting, ridding property of varmints, self defense, and work assignments in my case. Still, my current preoccupations are fixing a well, pulling water and soil samples, harvesting and generating a new plan for Maine’s Tree Growth program, and repairing the balance of the house and shop trim and siding that was compromised this past winter. Sort of like those outdoor reality shows… but with a lot more reality.

We’ve done a lot of handgun work at Real Guns lately. For as much as I enjoy them, after five or six projects within a few months, even the best of the best can become monotonous. Subsequently, a personal day was declared so I could work on something fun, a Marlin 1895 Guide Gun and an accumulation of 45-70 ammo; standard and high pressure, factory ammo and handloads.

The return of 1895 Chucky

Eagle eyed readers may note that the Marlin pictured left is as it left the factory in Ilion, NY. It is tight and clean inside and out, both wood and metal pieces fit together as they should. Gone is my prior North Haven, CT gun, with its porting and collection of added gadgetry: big loop lever, trigger kit, HD ejector, aluminum magazine plug, extended magazine tube, custom sights, rail… all of the modifications that added two pounds to a really nice rifle and contributed not much to ease of use or accuracy.

Marlin Model 1895G

Origin Ilion, NY
Manufacturer Remington
Model Model 1895G
Type Lever Action
Caliber 45-70 Gov’t
Mag Capacity 4
Barrel Length 18.5″
Rifling 1:20″
Nominal Weight 7.0 lbs
Overall Length 37″
Stock Walnut
Hardware Blued Steel
Length of Pull 13.25″
Drop at comb 1.25″
Drop at heel 2.00″
Sights R – F Semi-Buckhorn – Brass Bead
Scope Receiver D&T for Scope
Trigger Pull 5 lbs. 8 oz.
Safety Cross Bolt Safety
MSRP $750

There are currently seven 45-70 chambered Marlin models offered with barrel lengths from 18.5″ to 24″, synthetic and fancy walnut stocks, standard and big loop levers. The 1895G and 1895GS models, blued or stainless, are the only straight grip models.

The Model 1895 is not kind or considerate. With 540 grain ammo, it has eye popping, shoulder thumping recoil, it belches flames and its report, without solid ear protection, is deafening. It cares not that I keep it clean and fed, as it treats me as disrespectfully as anyone else who pulls its trigger. Why do I put up with its boorish behavior?

HSM 350 Grain Ammo 186 Yard Point Blank Range +/- 3″
Yards 0 50 100 150 200 250
Velocity – fps 2108 1887 1681 1495 1332 1198
Energy – ft.-lbs. 3453 2768 2196 1737 1378 1115
Momentum – lbs-sec 3.26 2.92 2.60 2.32 2.06 1.85
Path – in. -1.5 1.9 3.0 0.9 -5.1 -16.0

The Model 1895 Guide Gun is light, fast tracking and accurate. I can load it down for deer and hogs and load it up for the biggest and most fierce North American game. There is relatively flat shooting ammunition and component bullets for handloaders as illustrated on the preceding table. There are heavy cast loads that can traverse a cape buffalo and hole punch a brown bear or moose. Throughout this range of capability, the rifle remains the same; compact, easy to haul around the woods and solidly reliable.

If this Guide Gun version gives away anything, it would be a bit of velocity in comparison to the 22″ and 24″ barrel models. The loss tends to be less with heavier bullets than light and is influenced by powder types in addition to bullet weight.

Duality Vs Play Doh’s dualism… Wut?

There are modern firearms chambered for the 45-70 Gov’t and none of them, by public statement, support ammunition manufactured with a +P or Magnum designation. They do not warrant the use of this ammunition as there is no SAAMI or CIP +P or Magnum designated standard. Those designations are under the control of the manufacturer of the ammunition and applied at their discretion with two companies applying the exact same pressure criteria. To mitigate their differences, firearm manufacturers leave it up to the ammunition manufacturers to specify which firearms can handle their respective ammunition.

The degree of difference between SAAMI standard ammunition and modern high pressure ammunition is not insignificant. The SAAMI pressure rating for the 45-70 Gov’t is 28,000 psi. Garrett states a limit of  35,000 PSI while acknowledging that other manufacturers see up to 43,000 psi as a safe level for the Marlin Model 1895. Buffalo Bore does not publish a reference pressure, but by my calculation it takes approximately 39,000 PSI to drive a 430 lead cast bullet to 1879 fps from an 18.5″ barrel. Loading with transducer or strain gauge equipment checks, I generally maintain a max of 39,000 psi for Marlin Guide Gun use and close to 50,000 psi with shop Ruger No.1 rifles. Loading for the Marlin using Ruger No.1 pressure levels will permanently damage a Marlin and cause dangerous failures.

So why not create a SAAMI 45-70 +P standard as there is for cartridges like the 9mm Luger, 45 Auto and 45 Colt so firearm manufacturers can authorize use of a known quantity? Beats me. Perhaps firearm manufacturers don’t want to extend product liability or perhaps the system works the way it is and everyone is happy.

So where does this lead, lead and leave us?

Collecting baseline data for factory ammunition offers some insight into performance expectations for the 18.5″ barrel gun, places it in context with longer barrel models and provides points of comparison for coming handloads. Factory test barrels for the 45-70, used to rate ammunition, are 24″ long.

Ammunition Pressure Bullet Type Weight
Grains
Rated
FPS
Actual
FPS
Δ
FPS
Winchester Super X CXP2 Standard JHP 300 1880 1771 -109
Winchester Partition Gold CXP3 Standard JHP 300 1880 1716 -164
HSM Custom Plus High A Frame 350 2050 2140 90
Buffalo Bore High JFN 350 2150 2105 -45
Remington Core-Lokt Standard SP 405 1330 1207 -123
Buffalo Bore High Cast FN 430 1925 1842 -83
Garrett (Original) High Hammerhead 540 1550 1516 -34

All of the ammo indicated as standard pressure are easy shooting. Recoil is moderate, noise levels are reasonable and accuracy is good. All indicated as high pressure are a little rough on the shoulder and more than a little loud. The first group are excellent for deer, hogs and black bear. The second group for larger and dangerous game where the price of recoil and noise is a minor price to pay.

Something is up with the Remington ammo result… velocity is too low and the barrel length velocity differential too great. The chronograph was set up far enough away so that powder residue would not trip sensors early and cause false, low velocity readings. So that will be reshot, with results noted in Part II. (Did not want to leave bad data on a table, so the reshot data has been entered and it is now correct. Ed.)  Next up, handloads and accuracy and some experimenting with a variety of components…

Closing note

The Marlin held up well during the range session. One of the reasons I extricated myself from gun forum participation a while back was the absolutely goofy things I kept reading about the newer generation Marlin Guide Gun. I’ve owned a good number of Marlin lever action rifles, past and current production and I have shot them frequently. No, I’ve never had a rear sight jump off, I’ve never had a front sight off center and I could care less if the rifle has JM stamped on the barrel or if a little bullseye is in place near the sling swivel.

The Return of 1895 Chucky Part I
The Return of 1895 Chucky Part II

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