The title suggests that a 45-70 Gov’t shooter can elect to use milder cartridges and still decisively kill deer and black bear; ammo that generates less recoil and ear splitting report. However, within five minutes of publishing, someone will pose the question, “Why would deer and bear need light 45-70 loads? Are they too lazy to carry heavy loads?”… sender concurrent snort – laugh.
So I listen to music when I work… Dire Straits: “Why worry”, “Romeo and Juliet”, “Telegraph Road”, “Money for Nothing” until I feel like writing and I accept titles don’t mean a whole lot.
Stop me if you’ve heard this one… “A Priest, a Rabi and a kangaroo….”
Yes, I am well aware of the phenomena where a shooter pulls the trigger on modern full tilt 45-70 loads and then laughs like an idiot as he recovers from a battered shoulder and bashed cheek bone. It’s fun, we’re tough and Lord knows that bullet is going to do a lot of damaged before it is wrestled to a stop by hide, muscle and bone. That said… or that written, the 45-70 Gov’t and heavy loads are sometimes too much for the task assigned and there is no useful return on the shooter punishment investment.
The 45-70 is always going to kick with some significance; that should be the expectation for a little sub seven pound rifle, with an 18.5″ barrel and a big bore. However, recoil can be reduced from 54 ft-lbs of recoil to an average of 30 ft-lbs of recoil and still have more than enough power to cleanly drop a deer or black bear. Below, a table of recoil context….
Cartridge | Bullet Diameter” |
Bullet Weight Grains |
MV FPS |
ME Ft-Lbs |
7 Lb. Rifle Recoil Ft-Lbs |
30-30 Winchester | 0.308 | 150 | 2440 | 1983 | 13 |
308 Winchester | 0.308 | 150 | 2900 | 2802 | 22 |
300 Win Mag |
0.308 |
180 |
3080 |
3793 |
43 |
375 H&H |
0.375 |
270 |
2700 |
4370 |
60 |
45-70 Gov’t | 0.458 | 300 | 1880 | 2355 | 31 |
45-70 Gov’t | 0.458 | 405 | 1330 | 1591 | 29 |
45-70 Modern |
0.458 |
430 |
1925 |
3539 |
54 |
Speed limit 1,281 MPH
I was seventeen years old, sitting in my car at a stop light in Passaic, New Jersey, when a car full of Romanians ran into the back of my car, drove me into the intersection and into a passing police car. I was driving a little British TR-4 and the Romanians were armed with a 1956 Buick. The Buick, traveling perhaps 25 MPH, totaled by car.
It was an abject lesson in inertia and kinetic energy and proof that something heavy, even moving at a modest velocity, can inflect a great deal of damage. Based solely on that highly technical analysis and assessment, and roughly sixty years of hunting, I am pretty sure a heavy, 300 grain hunk of lead, traveling at an astounding 1,281 MPH is not to be taken lightly. In order to strike a balance between sustainable recoil and killing power sufficient for deer and black bear, 1,880 fps became the velocity goal for this handloading exercise… with some plus / minus. There are also a couple of loads listed that I would classify as 45-70 plinking.
Component selection, more specifically bullets, was narrowed to what would shoot straight, penetrate and expand fully at this velocity level and at the anticipated retained velocity out to 150 yards. Many of the heavier constructed bullets need 200 fps – 300 fps more to properly expand.
Powder selection was a mixture of mature and newer products based solely on performance. Sometimes old standbys exist because of faulty memories and some newer products exist only because they are new. Subsequently, the chronograph made the decisions. Primers were all large magnum rifle.
Brand | Type | Bullet Weight Grains |
Bullet Length” |
Bullet Seating Depth “ |
Cartridge Overall Length ” |
Remington Core-Lokt | JHP | 300 | 0.815 | 0.380 | 2.540 |
Sierra Pro-Hunter | JHP | 300 | 0.790″ | 0.370 | 2.520 |
Hornady | FTX | 325 | 1.100 | 0.525 | 2.590** |
Hawk Precision** | FNSP | 350 | 0.880 | 0.400 | 2.550 |
*0.025″ Jacket thickness **Cases trimmed to 2.040″ to accommodate long bullet ogive |
The Remington Core-Lokt, besides being spelled funny, seems to work well in everything from trapdoor Springfields to spiffly loaded Ruger No. 1 rifles. They expand quickly and retain weight at the velocity levels reflected in the load table. Is that “in” or “on” a table? The Sierra Pro-Hunter has a little tougher jacket, but still fits this application. Hornady lists the FTX not only for strong lever action rifles, but also for modest velocity Trapdoor Springfield loads. They expand quickly but stay intact. The Hawk Precision is a pure copper jacketed bullet. The core is soft lead and the jacket on this particular bullet is 0.025″ and suitable for thin skilled game. It is another bullet that gets big quickly, but holds together.
The handloading exercise was relatively straight forward, with just a few twists driven by unique aspects of the various bullets
Cartridge |
45-70 Gov’t |
Firearm | Marlin 1895 |
Barrel Length | 18.5″ |
Min – Max Case Length | 2.105″ +0.0″/-0.020″ |
Min – Max Cartridge Overall Length | 2.490″ – 2.550″ |
Primer | CCI 250 – Large Rifle |
Bullet Diameter | 0.458″ +0.0″/-0.003″ |
Reloading Dies | RCBS, Redding Competition, Hornady Lee Factory Crimp |
Bullet Type | Bullet Weight Grains |
Net H2O Grains Capacity |
COL” | Powder Type | Powder Charge Grains |
Muzzle Velocity fps |
Muzzle Energy ft/lbs |
Remington Core-Lokt JHP | 300 | 63.3 | 2.540 | 2400 | 34.0 | 1763 | 2071 |
Remington Core-Lokt JHP | 300 | 63.3 | 2.540 | Re10x | 50.0 | 1826 | 2222 |
Remington Core-Lokt JHP | 300 | 63.3 | 2.540 | Trail Boss | 19.5 | 1175 | 920 |
Sierra Pro-Hunter JHP | 300 | 64.1 | 2.520 | Re10x | 49.5 | 1712 | 1953 |
Sierra Pro-Hunter JHP | 300 | 64.1 | 2.520 | Varget | 59.0 | 1822 | 2212 |
Sierra Pro-Hunter JHP | 300 | 64.1 | 2.520 | Trail Boss | 19.5 | 1138 | 863 |
Hornady FTX | 325 | 56.5 | 2.590 | Re7 | 46.0 | 1896 | 2595 |
Hornady FTX | 325 | 56.5 | 2.590 | Re10x | 47.0 | 1856 | 2487 |
Hornady FTX | 325 | 56.5 | 2.590 | IMR4198 | 43.0 | 1885 | 2565 |
Hawk Precision JSP | 350 | 61.6 | 2.550 | Re10x | 48.0 | 1869 | 2915 |
Hawk Precision JSP | 350 | 61.6 | 2.550 | IMR4198 | 46.0 | 1891 | 2780 |
Hawk Precision JSP | 350 | 61.6 | 2.550 | IMR3031 | 55.0 | 1787 | 2482 |
Notes
IMR Trail Boss is a terrific powder for assembling reduced loads for big bore cartridges. Unlike some powders that do not respond well to low density use and pressure spike, Cheerio looking Trail Boss is low density and case filling. Pictured left, 19.5 grains of Trail Boss in a case that holds 79 grains of material with the density of H2O. Approximately 50 grains of Re10x would occupy the same space as the Trail Boss.
A subject case is marked at the depth the specific bullet is to be seated; the depth rod of a caliper is a good tool for the job, Trail Boss is filled to that mark and then that charge is weighed. That weight represents the maximum load for that cartridge and bullet combination. The starting load is determined by multiply the maximum charge weight by 0.7. I’ve used this for the largest big and dangerous cartridges and it makes for a lot of fun with a rifle that will otherwise see limited use. Tough to put a 100 full tilt rounds through a 500 Jeffery from a shooting bench and live to tell about it.
In the case of the 45-70, Trail Boss loads can be shot from the bench all day without ill effects and, while the velocity is low, the accuracy is high, offering the basis for useful target practice.
Cases were trimmed to 2.100″ with the exception of the cases used for Hornady FTX loads, which Hornady indicates must be trimmed down to 2.040″. As you can see, I spare no expense on case prep equipment… yes I am being sarcastic. 90% of my case trimming is done with an old RCBS manual trimmer. It is easy to set up by setting the outside jaws of a caliper to trim length, placing one side against the shell holder base and then sliding in the cutter until it touches the other caliper jaw, before locking the adjustment collar.
I bored some holes in a 2×4 to tightly match the trimmer base. This allows me to mount it on a flat surface anywhere in the shop, held in place with a C Clamp. Minus the 2×4, I mount the power trimmer the same way, held to the bench with a C clamp.
Another piece of high tech gear. Hand primer for CCI strip mounted primers with universal jaws. This one is about twenty years old and is as purchased with the exception of a new jaw spring. I use this during load development because it is fast, handy and it provides a good feel for seating primers. I have a bench model version and press priming tools but, like the case trimmer, it is used 90% of the time.
The material case wall thickness spec is only 0.011″, 0.010″ actual, and there is no spiffy neck or shoulder to add rigidity. For some reason, the Sierra bullet kept catching the case mouth until I added a Hornady expander to the die set. The bullet’s heel radius was generous and the diameter was fine, so I think the problem was the way the seater engaged the bullet’s ogive, causing it to lose axial alignment; the bullet entered at an angle and the heel caught on the case mouth.
Ultimately, an RCBS full length sizer, Hornady expander, Redding Competition seater, and Lee Precision crimp die were used with the exception of the FTX loads as the short case required for the FTX would not align with the Lee tool. I also could not use the RCBS expander as it opened the case too far even before a light flare was formed… meaning the bullet fell into the case without urging.
For my purposes, the Hornady FTX would probably be set aside, but only because I am lazy and have a problem committing. I don’t like spending the time trimming cases down 0.060″ to a nonstandard 2.040″ and then having brass that is then only useful with FTX bullets. But then they are very accurate, they retain velocity longer and they have good terminal ballistics. Let’s look closer…
Following a slippery slope
From the Real Guns exterior Ballistic Calculator and samples from the load data on this page.
45-70 Gov’t 350 Grain Hawk Precision | ||||||||||||
Range – Yards |
0 | 50 | 100 | 150 | 200 | 250 | 300 | |||||
Velocity – fps | 1891 | 1739 | 1596 | 1466 | 1347 | 1244 | 1157 | |||||
Energy – ft.-lbs. | 2779 | 2350 | 1980 | 1670 | 1410 | 1203 | 1041 | |||||
Momentum – lbs-sec | 95 | 87 | 80 | 73 | 67 | 62 | 58 | |||||
Path – in. | -1.50 | 0.69 | 0.00 | -4.11 | -12.26 | -25.21 | -43.78 | |||||
Drift – in. | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | |||||
Time Of Flight – sec. | 0.00 | 0.08 | 0.17 | 0.27 | 0.38 | 0.49 | 0.62 |
Best Zero Results – 6″ Kill Zone |
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Near-Zero – Yards | 17 | Mid Range – Yards | 87 | ||||
Far-Zero – Yards | 152 | Max Ordinate – inches | +3.0 | ||||
Point Blank – Yards | 162 | Recoil ft.-lbs. | 36.4 |
45-70 Gov’t 325 Grain Hornady FTX | ||||||||||||
Range – Yards | 0 | 50 | 100 | 150 | 200 | 250 | 300 | |||||
Velocity – fps | 1896 | 1734 | 1582 | 1445 | 1321 | 1216 | 1129 | |||||
Energy – ft.-lbs. | 2594 | 2169 | 1806 | 1506 | 1259 | 1067 | 920 | |||||
Momentum – lbs-sec | 88 | 81 | 73 | 67 | 61 | 56 | 52 | |||||
Path – in. | -1.50 | 0.70 | 0.00 | -4.18 | -12.53 | -25.86 | -45.08 | |||||
Drift – in. | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | |||||
Time Of Flight – sec. | 0.00 | 0.08 | 0.17 | 0.27 | 0.38 | 0.50 | 0.63 |
Best Zero Results – 6″ Kill Zone |
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Near-Zero – Yards | 17 | Mid Range – Yards | 87 | ||||
Far-Zero – Yards | 151 | Max Ordinate – Inches | +3.0 | ||||
Point Blank – Yards | 160 | Recoil ft.-lbs. | 32.8 |
Interesting that time in flight is nearly identical between the 350 grain Hawk Precision bullet and the lighter 325 grain Hornady FTX. The Hawk Precision’s higher sectional density offsets the Hornady’s slightly lower sectional density, but slightly higher ballistic coefficient. Either are easily 150 yard bullets, with 200 not much of a stretch. I will leave the 300 yard shots to folks who like to lay in mortar fire. The other 300 grain bullets in the 1800 +/- yard range deliver about the same out to 150 yards, in terms of trajectory and velocity, but drop much more rapidly after 150 yards.
Conclusions?
Loads with velocity is excess of 1,800 fps are not shoulder ticklers, but then they are also not shoulder bashers, producing 40% less recoil than heavy hitter 45-70 handloads or factory loads. As important, they are relatively flat shooting 45-70 loads and they would easily drop a Maine moose out to 200 yards. If you just like your rifle and enjoy and afternoon of range time, those Trail Boss loads are definitely worth investigating.
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