Handloading Anarchy

I received an Echo as a gift about a year ago, but only recently got around to setting it up. At first, it was a source of debate and consternation, apparently between me and a cylindrical electronic device, but eventually we sorted out our differences. She became more accommodating and, in turn, I became more considerate. On a day when nothing seems to be going right, and there is a need to clear my head and get my diastolic blood pressure down below one hundred, I only have to say. “Echo, play Otis Redding” and I can dance with my wife to, “I’ve Been Loving You Too Long”, or sing along with “Dock in the Bay” or maybe just take a nap.

Monty Python’s Ministry of Silly Walks

My theory is that if we remove the comments section from the Internet we would see a Renaissance of experimentation and innovation, as a little less consensus seeking could do wonders for the expression of original thought. The “Don’t judge me” generation has apparently become the “Judge everyone” generation, often with a misapplication of criteria and lack of understanding. Consequently, every new cartridge or firearm introduced is sucked into a maelstrom of public assessment and then spit out on the other side unless it replicates the 308 Winchester or 9mm Luger. (Echo, play The Shirelles).

The rifle pictured left and described below is an example of a personal preference. It came about when I was working with an AR 15 chambered for the 30 Remington AR and wanted a more physically stable platform for handload development. The Zastava manufactured Model 799 had the right bolt face and extractor dimensions, it was easy to modify and it was in the shop at the onset of the project.

The Model 799 does not approach the quality of the CZ mini Mauser, certainly in bolt movement control or feed assurance or trigger system. Still, the Model 799 could contain 60,000 PSI and handle a sufficient level of bolt thrust and barrel/receiver hoop stress to accommodate my experiments…  as long as they stopped short of being raised to the roof and struck by lightening to the protest of angry villagers.

Mini Mauser Custom

Company Remington
Model Designation Model 799
Point of Manufacture Zastava, Serbia
Type of Action Bolt Action 2 Lug 90º Lift
Caliber 30 Remington AR & 7mm-30RG
Magazine Capacity 3+1
Magazine Type Hinged Floorplate
Barrel Length 21″
Rifling Twist Rate 1:10″ 6 Groove
Barrel Type Shilen Match CM
Barreled Action Alloy Steel – Blued
Stock Type Bell & Carlson Carbelite
Length of Pull 14.0″
Drop at comb 5/8″
Drop at heel 1/2
Bottom Metal Alloy Steel
Front Sight N/A
Rear Sight N/A
Scope Accommodation Drilled & Tapped
Trigger Pull 3 Lbs 4 Oz
Weight of Firearm 5.5 Lbs
Overall Length 40.25″
Safety 2 Position Slide
 

Why would anyone bother to make such a contraption, modified rifle or cartridge selection? Because it is accurate, interesting, educational and, mostly, fun. The project provided the motivation to make the rifle and cartridge combo, but also to design a 7mm-30 RG wildcat version and associated tooling and it caused me to learn how to make reloading dies from threaded bar stock when funds were lacking to have a custom set made.

The mini Mauser has two barrels, one chambered for the 30 Remington AR (Far Right) and one chambered for the Real Guns 7mm-30 RG wildcat (Near right). The barrel swap takes about 5 minutes with the assistance of a barrel vise and abbreviated action wrench.

The subject of this exemplum is the 30 Remington AR. While waiting for some material for another project to arrive, and while on a new gun review hiatus, there was time available to work up deer and hog hunting loads for this rifle. Most of the early development with was done with a max pressure of 65kpsi, compared to the SAAMI max pressure of 55kpsi; no sticking cases or blown primers or loud noises or flying shrapnel. Still I thought there might come a time when the rifle would be fired without a remote rest and solenoid actuated trigger. Subsequently, the two good hunting bullets were selected, loads were modified and maximum reduced to 60kpsi. Echo, play Bonnie Raitt.

Pictured left, a 130 grain Hornady soft point with enough jacket toughness for thin skinned medium size game and a Winchester 150 grain power point, certainly a good choice for deer, hogs and black bear. They are both flat based, which preserves net case powder capacity.

 

Assembly is usually straight forward, however, the seater plug did not have enough reach even with the lock ring removed with the seater die properly adjusted, so a plug was made from a 1/2″-20 bolt.

Once fired cases were used, but full length resized. The pick up over was still approx 2 1/2 grains of capacity from a SAAMI standard chamber, which helped with some of the compressed charges. (Echo, play Joss Stone).

Small rifle magnum primers were used previously, but I was concerned that their use with heavily compressed charges might be pushing bullets forward ahead of ignition causing erratic velocity results.  Subsequently, small rifle bench rest primers were selected.

A tale of two types of bullets…

Cartridge: 30 Remington AR

 Firearm: Modified Remington Model 799 COL: 2.000″ – 2.260″
 Bullet Diameter: 0.308″  Primer: CCI BR4
 Barrel: 21.0″  Reloading Dies: Redding FL
 Max case length: 1.530 +0.000/-0.020″  Groups: 100 Yards 3 Shots

Max Loads, back off 5% and work up as needed and safe

COL and Capacity   Load Data & Performance
Bullet Type Bullet
Weight
C.O.L.
Inches
Case
Grains
Water
  Powder Charge
Grains
Muzzle
Velocity
FPS
Muzzle
Energy Ft/Lbs
100 Yard
Group
Inches
Hornady SP #3020 130 2.175 38.7   Re 7 34.0 2760 2199 0.6
Hornady SP #3020 130 2.175 38.7   Re 10 36.0C 2695 2097 0.9
Hornady SP #3020 130 2.175 38.7   IMR 4198 34.0C 2724 2142 1.2
Winchester PP 150 2.240 37.7   Re 7 33.0 2609 2268 0.7
Winchester PP 150 2.240 37.7   Re 10 34.0C 2544 2156 0.5
Winchester PP 150 2.240 37.7   IMR 4198 32.5C 2616 2280 0.9
 

(Echo, play Bob Dylan, “Gotta Serve Somebody”)… Seems as though a good number of powder types were tried, the best appearing here. Win 748 was too slow to hit a maximum charge, CFE 223 produced maximum loads with velocity well below those posted. Re 10x was out performed by Re 7. So what did I get that my 30-30 WCF could not deliver? Good question.

Typical 30-30 Win 150 grain RN ammunition will deliver 2,150 fps when fired from a 20″ lever action rifle. Many are rated 200 fps faster, but this is predicated on the use of a 24″ test barrel. In comparison with the 21″ barrel 30 Remington AR, they look something like this:

30-30 WCF 150 Grain 193 Yard Point Blank Range

Yards

0

50

100

150

200

250

300

Velocity – fps

2150

1946

1754

1577

1418

1279

1166

Energy – ft.-lbs.

1539

1261

1025

828

669

545

453

Momentum – lbs-sec

1.43

1.29

1.16

1.05

0.94

0.85

0.77

Path – in.

-1.5

1.9

3.0

1.2

-4.0

-13.6

-28.5

 

30 Remington AR 150 Grain 201 Point Blank Range

Yards

0

50

100

150

200

250

300

Velocity – fps

2760

2594

2435

2281

2133

1992

1856

Energy – ft.-lbs.

2537

2241

1974

1733

1516

1321

1147

Momentum – lbs-sec

1.83

1.72

1.62

1.51

1.42

1.32

1.23

Path – in.

-1.5

0.6

1.5

0.9

-1.4

-5.6

-12.0

Not a big jump in point blank range but really big velocity and kinetic energy differences from muzzle out through 300 yards. Trajectory really flattens out with the 30 Remington AR. What about the super duper Hornady Lever Evolution pointy tipped ammo? Giving the Hornady its 24″ test barrel velocity ratings, it is about the same as the 30 Remington AR with its 3″ shorter barrel.

Why not just go with the widely accepted 300 Blackout? Pictured far left, because it is puny and underpowered in comparison. So am I recommending the 30 Remington AR for eastern deer hunters? No way. One, I don’t ever recommend anything. I merely tell my own sad stories and leave it up to the reader to decide.

The 30 Remington AR is a terrible cartridge, primarily because it sought consensus and did not receive it. It won’t work with a standard AR 15 bolt face, it uses an AR 10 like bolt and barrel extension. The 30 Remington AR does not use standard magazines and you won’t find chambered barrels with extensions. It won’t be found chambered in factory firearms. And so it follows that ammo supply has dried up, brass has dried up and brass is not easy to make as there is no parent with the same rim. (Echo, play “I did it my way).

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